Montages like this remind me of the following screenplay material:
Hans Gruber
Uh, no, I’m afraid not. But, you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he’s John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?
John McClane
Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts.
Funny, Mr. Archibold! There are still some of us around who even served the Tridentine Mass. I respect those who want to revive or promote it now. I want only to belong to the whole Church and do not wish to be apart from my everyday family. But honestly the Church makes it so difficult. The responses have changed three or four times within my living memory, so that oftentimes I revert to one of form of Sanctus we said before this Sanctus came along. Embarrassing. So too, the readings have changed several times so that often when the Gospel is read I'm saying wait that's not how it goes. I really think although it's been 50 years I would get more right in the extraordinary form.
--- But then I can't sing those beautiful "Mary" Songs ... --- More Reverent I can do and wish my NO mass would be more reverent --- Incense Yes !! Latin ?? Latin, which started 4 to 500 years after Jesus "I don't think so" .. --- Communion by tonque ?? sure, even though Jesus past the bread around .. --- I believe only Deacons at the Altar with the priest Please ... Altar children got us in trouble with Celibate Priest and Bishops .. and yes we even have Sex Crimes in Trad Churches with Trad Priests .. --- If only we could combine the 2 ... --- Thanks for your video Mr Archibold ...
Indeed it is about Jesus. And when we see Him all bloodied and bruised on the Cross, He is drawing ALL to himself, in whichever way we turn to Him. NO, TLM, praise and worship, silent Bible reader. And He doesn’t care about how we are dressed or the rituals we perform. He really doesn’t. He looks down at us and loves us, and we see Him when we have turned our hearts to him. No agenda. No judgements. Just Jesus. Truth and Love. Just Jesus. He loves us warts and all. He draws us to Himself. Any language.
Jesus didn’t place any burdens of language or ritual on us, which is why both “sides,” if you will, need to just turn to Him and love each other, exhibiting the fruits of the Holy Spirit to one another, so that the world knows who our Savior is. This goes for all Christians.
God absolutely DOES care how we worship Him. The term 'orthodoxy' means 'right praise' - and it was for wrong means of praising God with the golden calf that the Israelites were punished. The Bible is full of instances where God prescribes the means in which He desires to be worshipped.
Taylor Marshall? seriously? One more propaganda video: I was a Novus Ordo regular Catholic and then I saw the light... The path to orthodoxy goes through Vatican II. Period.
Really enjoyed your video. I also am very troubled by what is happening in the Church and the movement of the seeming movement of the hierarchy away from Christ. It's very puzzling. I have attending Latin Mass and maybe because my Parish practices a very reverent Novus Ordo, I didn't have any desire to go back to Latin Mass. Pray for the Church.
I would have been in the 5th or 6th grade when the vernacular was first introduced. Prior to that all of the Mass, except for the readings & homily, were in Latin. The missal had the translation into English on the left page, so one eventually learned what the Latin is saying, even without learning Latin grammar. There was a great deal more formality generally, even in the translations, and I believe this contributed to the reverence and beauty one experienced. Everything about the entire experience reinforced this. For example, there was the fast, which if I recall correctly was a minimum of 3 hours prior to the beginning of Mass. We all dressed in our "Sunday best," and in many parishes during the baby boom, we had to get there fairly early in order to obtain a seat. The discomfort was compounded by the lack of air conditioning, which we would never tolerate now. The ordinary or Low Mass was longer than the Novus Ordo, including a recitation of the "Last Gospel," John Chapter 1. Not least of all because of the reverence the priests evidenced in how they said the Mass, I memorized it even in grade school.
All of what I have described pointed to the importance of the Mass as the sacrifice Jesus gave us as the the most acceptable form of worship to His Father. Attendance and participation were very high, in spite of the inconvenience when compared to current practice.
So, your experience at a Latin Mass was very foreign, to say the least, which raises a question: What do Scripture, Shakespeare, Scotch Whiskey, Opera, and the Latin Mass all have in common?
Montages like this remind me of the following screenplay material:
ReplyDeleteHans Gruber
Uh, no, I’m afraid not. But, you have me at a loss. You know my name but who are you? Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he’s John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?
John McClane
Was always kinda partial to Roy Rogers actually. I really like those sequined shirts.
from Die Hard, Best Christmas Movie EVER
Funny, Mr. Archibold! There are still some of us around who even served the Tridentine Mass. I respect those who want to revive or promote it now. I want only to belong to the whole Church and do not wish to be apart from my everyday family. But honestly the Church makes it so difficult. The responses have changed three or four times within my living memory, so that oftentimes I revert to one of form of Sanctus we said before this Sanctus came along. Embarrassing. So too, the readings have changed several times so that often when the Gospel is read I'm saying wait that's not how it goes. I really think although it's been 50 years I would get more right in the extraordinary form.
ReplyDelete--- But then I can't sing those beautiful "Mary" Songs ...
ReplyDelete--- More Reverent I can do and wish my NO mass would be more reverent
--- Incense Yes !! Latin ?? Latin, which started 4 to 500 years after Jesus "I don't think so" ..
--- Communion by tonque ?? sure, even though Jesus past the bread around ..
--- I believe only Deacons at the Altar with the priest Please ... Altar children got us in trouble with Celibate Priest and Bishops ..
and yes we even have Sex Crimes in Trad Churches with Trad Priests ..
--- If only we could combine the 2 ...
--- Thanks for your video Mr Archibold ...
Indeed it is about Jesus. And when we see Him all bloodied and bruised on the Cross, He is drawing ALL to himself, in whichever way we turn to Him. NO, TLM, praise and worship, silent Bible reader. And He doesn’t care about how we are dressed or the rituals we perform. He really doesn’t. He looks down at us and loves us, and we see Him when we have turned our hearts to him. No agenda. No judgements. Just Jesus. Truth and Love. Just Jesus. He loves us warts and all. He draws us to Himself. Any language.
ReplyDeleteJesus didn’t place any burdens of language or ritual on us, which is why both “sides,” if you will, need to just turn to Him and love each other, exhibiting the fruits of the Holy Spirit to one another, so that the world knows who our Savior is. This goes for all Christians.
Just love in Him. That is all that matters.
God absolutely DOES care how we worship Him. The term 'orthodoxy' means 'right praise' - and it was for wrong means of praising God with the golden calf that the Israelites were punished. The Bible is full of instances where God prescribes the means in which He desires to be worshipped.
DeleteTaylor Marshall? seriously? One more propaganda video: I was a Novus Ordo regular Catholic and then I saw the light... The path to orthodoxy goes through Vatican II. Period.
ReplyDeleteWell this was not what I was expecting to see. That was funny, and a really good message. Thanks for sharing that
ReplyDeleteReally enjoyed your video. I also am very troubled by what is happening in the Church and the movement of the seeming movement of the hierarchy away from Christ. It's very puzzling. I have attending Latin Mass and maybe because my Parish practices a very reverent Novus Ordo, I didn't have any desire to go back to Latin Mass. Pray for the Church.
ReplyDeleteThis video pretty much sums me up as well. Crowds and large, young families? What a surprise and this seems like the future of the Church.
ReplyDeleteI would have been in the 5th or 6th grade when the vernacular was first introduced. Prior to that all of the Mass, except for the readings & homily, were in Latin. The missal had the translation into English on the left page, so one eventually learned what the Latin is saying, even without learning Latin grammar. There was a great deal more formality generally, even in the translations, and I believe this contributed to the reverence and beauty one experienced. Everything about the entire experience reinforced this. For example, there was the fast, which if I recall correctly was a minimum of 3 hours prior to the beginning of Mass. We all dressed in our "Sunday best," and in many parishes during the baby boom, we had to get there fairly early in order to obtain a seat. The discomfort was compounded by the lack of air conditioning, which we would never tolerate now. The ordinary or Low Mass was longer than the Novus Ordo, including a recitation of the "Last Gospel," John Chapter 1. Not least of all because of the reverence the priests evidenced in how they said the Mass, I memorized it even in grade school.
ReplyDeleteAll of what I have described pointed to the importance of the Mass as the sacrifice Jesus gave us as the the most acceptable form of worship to His Father. Attendance and participation were very high, in spite of the inconvenience when compared to current practice.
So, your experience at a Latin Mass was very foreign, to say the least, which raises a question: What do Scripture, Shakespeare, Scotch Whiskey, Opera, and the Latin Mass all have in common?
Answer: They are all acquired tastes.
That was quite enjoyable and substantive, thank you Matt, keep it up. I'm sharing it in my circle. May the Lord bless you!
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