In this video, Dr. Bergsma, a convert who was led to the Church through the Scriptures, gives us seven Bible verses that prove that Catholicism is indeed biblical and even more biblically grounded than what some of our Protestant brethren initially think.
Thank you Dr. Bergsma, extraordinary as usual. The only thing I have, and it is the result of my own studies, I think the time line of the Gospels are incorrect by about 20 to 30 years late. Mathew is first at about AD 40 to45, then Mark, and Luke. John, who is the beloved Apostle would have been written about 60 to 70 AD. This space does not allow me to elaborate on the reasons why but when everything is looked at and studied, an earlier account of John magnifies the miraculous account of the Gospel. It also allows John the time to absorb his Apocalypse and report it accurately. There is nothing more compelling than a truly righteous man and when true righteousness is encountered the ememnances of the the last supper, the apocalypse, and everything else is displayed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel says that the gospels were probably written between 66 and 110 AD. And gives 4 sources for that. And that resp. mid-sixties until end of 1st cent. is also what I understand to be a scholars consense for a considerable time. You propose a significantly earlier dating and also a different order - usually Mark is considered to be the first. Please provide further sources for that.
1. One reason historians in the last century moved the dates back to the ones you mentioned is because they don't believe Jesus could have known about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Hence, the gospel writers MUST HAVE written their accounts after that. 2. The same "historians" decided Mark must be first because it is shorter (why would he write less? - more "likely" the others "added") and it appears Matthew and Luke copied from him. This is conjecture. 3. My preferred order is Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, as outlined in Bernard Orchard (OSB) paper called The Evolution of the Gospels, 3/1/1994.
1 Timothy 3:15 the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. - The Church, not the Bible alone, is the final authority on matters of faith and morals.
Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. - There was written Tradition (the Scriptures) and oral Tradition, now found in the early Fathers, Creeds and Councils. Not everything is in Scripture alone.
2 Peter 1:20 No prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. - Private interpretations of Scripture should give way to the final decisions of Jesus’s Church.
John 20:23 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.” - Apostles, bishops and priests have power to forgive sins confessed.
Revelation 12:1-2, 5 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth….. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, - Mary is Queen assumed into Heaven.
2 Kings 13:20 So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. 21 And as a man was being buried, behold, a marauding band was seen and the man was thrown into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet. - God works miracles and healings through relics.
John 6:53-57 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. - Jesus is truly present in the Holy Eucharist, and we need to receive it in order to have divine life in our souls.
1 Timothy 3:15
ReplyDeleteThessalonians 2:15
2 Peter 1:20
John 20:23
Revelation 12:1-2, 5
2 Kings 13:20
John 6:53
2 Thessalonians 2:15
DeleteI wish the transcripts would be posted. I don't have time to listen to 51 minutes in one sitting.
ReplyDeleteGo to youtube, it has the transcript listed ......
DeleteThank you Dr. Bergsma, extraordinary as usual. The only thing I have, and it is the result of my own studies, I think the time line of the Gospels are incorrect by about 20 to 30 years late. Mathew is first at about AD 40 to45, then Mark, and Luke. John, who is the beloved Apostle would have been written about 60 to 70 AD. This space does not allow me to elaborate on the reasons why but when everything is looked at and studied, an earlier account of John magnifies the miraculous account of the Gospel. It also allows John the time to absorb his Apocalypse and report it accurately. There is nothing more compelling than a truly righteous man and when true righteousness is encountered the ememnances of the the last supper, the apocalypse, and everything else is displayed.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel says that the gospels were probably written between 66 and 110 AD. And gives 4 sources for that. And that resp. mid-sixties until end of 1st cent. is also what I understand to be a scholars consense for a considerable time. You propose a significantly earlier dating and also a different order - usually Mark is considered to be the first. Please provide further sources for that.
Delete1. One reason historians in the last century moved the dates back to the ones you mentioned is because they don't believe Jesus could have known about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Hence, the gospel writers MUST HAVE written their accounts after that.
Delete2. The same "historians" decided Mark must be first because it is shorter (why would he write less? - more "likely" the others "added") and it appears Matthew and Luke copied from him. This is conjecture.
3. My preferred order is Matthew, Luke, Mark, John, as outlined in Bernard Orchard (OSB) paper called The Evolution of the Gospels, 3/1/1994.
1 Timothy 3:15 the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. - The Church, not the Bible alone, is the final authority on matters of faith and morals.
ReplyDeleteThessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. - There was written Tradition (the Scriptures) and oral Tradition, now found in the early Fathers, Creeds and Councils. Not everything is in Scripture alone.
2 Peter 1:20 No prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. - Private interpretations of Scripture should give way to the final decisions of Jesus’s Church.
John 20:23 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
- Apostles, bishops and priests have power to forgive sins confessed.
Revelation 12:1-2, 5 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth….. She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,
- Mary is Queen assumed into Heaven.
2 Kings 13:20 So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. 21 And as a man was being buried, behold, a marauding band was seen and the man was thrown into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet. -
God works miracles and healings through relics.
John 6:53-57 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. - Jesus is truly present in the Holy Eucharist, and we need to receive it in order to have divine life in our souls.